Mexican Swine Flu

[IlDente]

It's the fucking flu. If you're not an infant, ancient, or immune-suppressed person, you just get sick and then get better. This broke out in the 70's. There was 1 death in the US from the virus, and 25 from people getting the shot when they shouldn't have.

This is not 1918. We have sanitation, germ-theory, and hygiene.

[Just_call_me_Q]

Quote: Originally Posted by IlDente It's the fucking flu. If you're not an infant, ancient, or immune-suppressed person, you just get sick and then get better. This broke out in the 70's. There was 1 death in the US from the virus, and 25 from people getting the shot when they shouldn't have. This is not 1918. We have sanitation, germ-theory, and hygiene.

From what I have read this looks to be like some kind of opposite flu - where the elderly, and those with weak immune systems fare better than those with a good immune system. I read somewhere that 35 and under are the most likely to die of this.

I will wait to freak out until a dude is going up and down my street screaming "Bring out your dead"

[taco]

I thing pig flu is a giant pussy compared to salmonella or a weekend drinking with shane.


Mexican swine flu aint got shit on 48 hour bender topped with carne asadas from filbertos

[Phix]

Quote: Originally Posted by Just_call_me_Q From what I have read this looks to be like some kind of opposite flu - where the elderly, and those with weak immune systems fare better than those with a good immune system. I read somewhere that 35 and under are the most likely to die of this. I will wait to freak out until a dude is going up and down my street screaming "Bring out your dead"

Except that 2 year old Mexican kid who died who had a compromised immune system. You know... the only US death so far.

[IlDente]

[IlDente]

Up to the minute news

http://twitter.com/veratect

[IlDente]

What was the argument we were having the other day about the FDA being a necessity? Something about because private businesses will always cheat even at the expense of their customers? WOuldn't that create a market need for a private version of the FDA or any regulatory agency for that matter.

Company warned officials of flu 18 days before alert was issued

WASHINGTON — A Washington state biosurveillance firm raised the first warning about a possible outbreak of swine flu in Mexico more than two weeks before the World Health Organization offered its initial alert about a public health emergency of international concern.

Both federal and international health officials had access to the warning from Veratect Corp. Later e-mails calling attention to the company's subsequent report that the disease was possibly spreading in Mexico were sent to 10 officials of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Robert Hart, the company's chief executive.
Hart said he wasn't sure why health officials didn't act sooner.
"They have a lot of other responsibilities," Hart said on Thursday. "But every day makes a difference."
CDC officials in Atlanta said they were aware of Veratect's claims and hadn't been working with the company.
"We have nothing to add about their claims," said CDC spokesman Llelwyn Grant, adding that the CDC and other public health agencies had plans in place to deal with a flu pandemic and responded rapidly once they became aware of the Mexican outbreak.

Veratect, based in Kirkland, Wash., uses a technique known as "data mining" to automatically search tens of thousands of Web sites daily for early signs of looming medical problems or civil unrest anywhere in the world. Anything of interest is turned over to a team of 35 analysts to determine its significance and to post on the company's Web site. The company markets access to its Web site to government agencies, businesses and others and has tried unsuccessfully to sell its service to the CDC, the World Health Organization and the Department of Homeland Security.
Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., who talked with the CDC, the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies as late as January about Veratect, said the federal government had made a mistake in not purchasing the company's program, especially in light of the flu outbreak.

"I am very upset about this," Dicks said. "Not to have it is totally ridiculous. This is a perfect example of why they needed this and now we are paying a price."
Earlier this year, Hart said, Veratect gave free access to its Web site to the CDC and the WHO on a trial basis.
On April 6, 18 days before the WHO issued its alert, Veratect reported on its Web site a strange outbreak of respiratory disease in La Gloria, Mexico, noting that local residents thought the outbreak was linked to contamination from pig breeding farms nearby.

Hart said the information was available to the CDC and many state and local health authorities. The company's server showed an epidemiologist at the Pan American Health Organization, which is part of the World Health Organization, looked at the message about the La Gloria outbreak twice, on April 10 and 11, Hart said.
Ten days after the warning was first issued, on April 16, Veratect reported the disease was possibly spreading in Mexico with an "unspecified number of atypical pneumonia cases" detected at a hospital in Oaxaca. Because of the heightened concern, an automated e-mail was sent to 10 people at the CDC to notify them the report was available.
With the outbreak apparently spreading, Hart said the company's chief scientist, James Wilson, called people he knew at the CDC's Emergency Operations Center on April 20 to alert them to what was happening in Mexico. At that point, the CDC was focused on possible swine flu events in Texas and California, and a physician at the emergency operations center indicated the CDC was not aware of the spreading outbreak in Mexico, Hart said.

"We thought this deserved immediate attention and they started looking at it," Hart said.
Four days later, the World Health Organization made its announcement.

Veratect's warnings came as President Barack Obama prepared for his trip to Mexico, arriving in Mexico City on April 16. The White House said Thursday that an Energy Department staffer who was part of the advance team for Obama's visit is suspected of having contracted swine flu in Mexico and transmitting it to his family in Maryland. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the man, who wasn't identified, never got within six feet of the president.
Hart said his company's system operated as it was supposed to.
"We don't make predictions," he said. "We give the earliest wisp of smoke before the fire."

Hart said he wasn't critical of the CDC or other health organizations, adding that what was needed was an effective global health monitoring system that Veratect should be a part of.
"Hindsight is great and it's hard to say whether (the delay) altered anything," he said. "The only way to stop anything like this is to break the cycle."
Others, however, cautioned that the use of data mining to track a possible disease outbreak was untested and said a number of questions about its effectiveness remained unanswered.
"This approach is not yet vetted," said Dr. Marguerite Neill, an infectious disease specialist at Brown University and a spokeswoman for the Infectious Disease Society of America. "It is an interesting idea, but we haven't used it before."

Neill said the problem with using information picked up through data mining was determining whether it was just an indication of a routine disease outbreak or something much more serious.
"It needs to be put in a clinical or epidemiological context," she said. "I'm not sure Veratect can do that."

[Just_call_me_Q]

They are downgrading the death tolls on this. Not it's back down to like 100.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02351116.htm

[bologna.com]

Something I ain't heard yet?

[DieHippy]

This shit could very well come back mutated and with a vengeance this winter. Buy your N95 masks and a few gallons of hand sanitizer now.

Or just stay home this winter. I hear it's getting worse in south america (winter there) and is mainly killing healthy middle aged people. I read an article that it may be causing a cytokine storm or some similar shit.

This world needs a fucking pandemic; something that kills a lot faster than AIDS.

[Just_call_me_Q]

I heard on talk radio a few days ago that the US has bought 195 million doses of H1N1 vaccine for the fall, and there was some other drug I forget the name of that, that when used with the vaccine will allow them to give people smaller doses of the vaccine and have it still be effective. Some kind of drug that boosts the potency of a vaccine.

[Just_call_me_Q]

I just went looking for a story to confirm what I posted before, and am finding information that condricts what I posted, so I think what I heard was bullshit.

Looks like they are just starting to make and test the vaccine...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0723194958.htm

[Just_call_me_Q]

No, my info was correct. We have ordered 195 million doses of vaccine, and the drug to stretch it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-S...56M4M720090723

[Phix]

A college near me is paying test subjects for H1N1 vaccines.

On Sept 1st, I'll go get shot up for cash!

[Just_call_me_Q]

LOL How much they paying?

[Phix]

Not enough.

I think the standard rate is they give you $300 to $500 for 2 months worth of studying plus gasmoney or busfare.

And of course your dignity. Prices may vary.

"Well you see, you're test subject #43. We need to stick this needle in your balls and inject you with a solution of 4 parts saline, 10 parts lemon juice, and 1 part placebo vaccine #21."